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Rick N
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Help needed please

Having had a chance to sit down and have a better look at my photos from Lake Gilles last week, I thought it might be easier to ask about multiple birds, rather than a whole lot of individual posts.

I'm not sure about any but maybe the honeyeater looking birds is a White fronted.

1)2)3)4)5)6)7)

Cotton
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Hi Rick

Your birds are as follows:

1. Yellow-rumped Thornbill

2. Weebill

3. Brown-headed Honeyeater

4. White-fronted Honeyeater

5. Jacky Winter

6. Grey Shrike Thrush

7. Western Gerygone

All your photos are superb! Great job! yes 

Curtis

lorne.johnson@d...
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Okay... from the top... 

1.Yellow-rumped Thornbill (based on speckled b&w crown; this rules out Slender-billed Thornbill).

2. Weebill.

3. Brown-headed Honeyeater.

4. White-fronted Honeyeater.

5. Um... ah... um... geez... well... um... ah... maybe a young male Hooded Robin. What do others think?

6. Grey Shrike-thrush (immature).

7. Golden Whistler (female). 

Lorne

Elsie
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Well Lorne and Cotton have done a wonderful job Id'ing these. Just incase though, number 5 is definitely a Jacky Winter and Number 7 is a Golden whistler (you can tell because it has the yellow colouring on the vent)smiley I think that it's a female.

Your Weebill shot is just superb!

Rick N
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Thanks everyone, your help is much appreciated.

Cotton
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Lorne and Elsie, are you absolutely sure that number 7 is a Golden Whistler? IMO, it is a Western Gerygone or if not, a Thornbill.

Curtis

WhistlingDuck

Lot of great pics and variety. Love that weebill shot in particular.

lorne.johnson@d...
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Curtis... elongated breast, length of tail and broad shape of head point to whistler... the pale throat coming through the grey instantly gives that whistler look too... a Western Gergone (superficially similar) would have more white around eye and seem dumpier in appearance... Lorne

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No. 5 may be a Jacky Winter, Curtis, but what's going on with the black on its crown and all that muddled chest appearance colour-wise? Mysterious. Lorne

Cotton
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Hi Lorne

OK, still not quite convinced. Do Golden Whistlers have red eyes? Field Guides don't illustrate or mention and photos online don't show it.

I think No. 5 is a Jacky Winter as I had said above. I can't see black on its crown though... maybe just dark grey as I can see? I see what you mean though by that muddled chest appearance with that dark grey colour. I would just leave it as Jacky Winter for now or until someone else decides that it isn't laugh. Hooded Robins are too dark for that bird in my opinion.

Curtis

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Concerns on No. 5... I'm used to Jacky Winter, race fascinans, however the race withing that area is assimilis. Simpson & Day describe that race as darker, white tail feathers become black towards base. Grey-ish wash over breast and flanks. This describes your bird perfectly, whereas in race fascinans the outer tail feathers are completely white...

Sure is a Jacky Winter

Brandon (aka ihewman)

Araminta
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This might help, one of many female Golden Whistlers in my garden. I don't think they have red eyes?

M-L

Rebecca Z

1. Yellow-rumped thornbill

2. Weebill

3. Brown-headed honeyeater

4. White-fronted Honeyeater

5. Jacky Winter

6. Grey Shrike-thrush (though it looks really odd).

7. Definitely a whistler, looks like Golden. Only other possibility is Gilbert's and as far as I'm aware the adult females don't have a yellow wash like that.

Elsie
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I am definitely not an expert winkhowever I do have a family of Golden whistlers in my garden at the moment. I think that the lighting has showed up the eyes to be rather red when normily under the foliage that they love -  their eyes aren't so distinguishable. I have never seen a Western gerygone so I don't know enough to compare it. Just go with what somebody who has more expirience sayssmiley

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lorne.johnson@d...
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Golden Whistlers do indeed have blood-red eyes... check out this attached shot of a Hooded Robin... similar to No 5?! Lorne

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And check this out... a pair of Hooded Robins... is the bird on the left No.5? If only No. 5 showed the wings! Thanks for presenting this challnge, Rick! Birding is such a gloriously frustrating activitiy! Lorne

ihewman
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Your bird is again a Jacky Winter, race assimilis, with the black-based tail feathers. To compare, Hooded Robins have white-based tail feathers, tipped black (opposite to Jacky Winter, race assimilis).

Brandon (aka ihewman)

shoop
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Ah Rick , all you wanted was a simple ID ... LOL.

Seems as though No.7 is a tricky one. It certainly gets us scrambling for our reference books and archived photos to study and compare.

In my opinion I have to agree with Lorne, Golden Whistlers do inded have red eyes, and even when I firsted looked at  photo No.7  I too was wondering if it could possibly be a Gerygone. But I am going to have to agree that this little beauty looks like a female Golden Whistler especially with the light marking on the throat.

Absoultely beautiful photos , and to agree with Lorne again this certainly was a challenge , great work.

Kerry - Perth, Western Australia.

Annie W
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+1 for #7 being a Female Golden Whistler.  In a certain light at a certain angle, the iris of a female GW can definitely present as burgundy-red - google female GW and you'll find more than a few pics with redish eye colouration.  Plus, if it were a Gerygone, at this clear front on angle, you would also be able to see the black undertail markings, particularly at the tip.

West Coast Tasmania

Rick N
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Thanks everyone for taking the time to help.Looked for another,clearer,photo but they were the same aspect.

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