Odd Behaviour

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David
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Odd Behaviour

I am in the habit of spreading seed for the finches and doves. The other day I included three torn-up slices of stale bread. A raven flew down, swallowed one chunk of bread and picked up another and another until its beak was full. It then strutted off and buried the bread under some mulch. It picked up straw and twigs and covered over the cache. It then went back to the bread and repeated the performance, including swallowing the first piece. It buried one beakful under a rock, stuffing it under as far as possible before gathering grass and twigs to cover it over. It did this perhaps as many as eight times. I never saw it return to the caches and I suspect that the army of apostlebirds that graze the yard would have found them anyway. Is this usual raven behaviour?
David

Redbrowfinch
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Yes, this is normal behaviour ; at least of the Australian Raven. I have watched From a window the bird dig in the ground & bury the food. Sometimes almost immediately dig some up consume it,
Watched The Little Raven (at the Prom] do the same thing' Incidently The Pied Currawong stashes food away away, However they seem to forget where?

Holly
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That would have been really interesting to watch!

One side note though - bread is actually really bad for birds so I would make sure it wasn't something you were providing for them often

Redbrowfinch
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Hi Holly Why sould you think the birds were given bread. Cheese ,meat,Dog ausage(meat) Are foods Ravens enjoy & is commonly known to most people
It is OK to feed the birds if suitable food is given & especially
when their natural food is not available as during this drought to supplement

David
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The inclusion of a few slices of stale bread, usually whole wheat, with my daily scattering of commercial finch seed is an infrequent occurrence. I have seen several tut-tutting comments about feeding birds bread but have yet to find anyone offering a satisfactory (academic) reason as to why not, assuming it is not the only dietary sustenance on offer. Nor does anyone attempt to explain how veritable armies of ducks, swans, geese, feral rock pigeons and a host of other grain-loving birds survived for generations without seeming ill effect from the generous hand-out of this food source from scores of kids and well-meaning adults for many, many years before the tut-tutters enlightened us all. Can someone enlighten me, specifically?

Another bit of odd behaviour involving a happenstance of torn-up bread being included in the seed ration was noted among the apostlebirds. They sometimes ate, crumb by crumb, a piece of bread and ignored another piece that fell next to it but went on to find another piece some distance away. They would grab this piece in their beak and run across the yard with it to another apostlebird and offer it to them. It was, oddly, sometimes rejected with some vehemence but generally it would be accepted and eaten with no further interaction between the two birds; both resuming grazing as normal. A few times the recipient of the offering would take it and run across the yard to another apostlebird and offer it to them. I could see no pattern nor establish any follow-up interactions. To quote Alice in Wonderland, “Curiouser and curiouser”.
David

Gelmir
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G'day David. Welcome to the forum.
Bread is not part of any birds natural diet. Wheat seeds are eaten by some birds, but that is different. Bread offers no nutrional value to the birds diet. Birds consistently fed with bread may develop nutritional issues due to the lack of proper vitamins and minerals, proteins and other ingredients found in their normal diet.
Also, keep in mind when feeding birds, that they may also be getting food from other people as well. Point in case is people feeding honey on bread to Rainbow Lorikeets. The lorikeets get a little from here, there and everywhere, and pretty soon they end up with health issues that could have been avoided had they been given what is natural to them, or better still, not feed by people.
Whilst the birds that are fed seem to appear fine, bare in mind that a couple of things are going on here;
1) Birds mask when they are ill. That is, they will hide their illness until they are so sick they cant physically hide it anymore. At this point they generally die fairly soon if they haven't gotten any medical attention.
2) Just because you cant see a problem doesn't mean there isn't one, or that through current incorrect trends and practices one wont eventuate.
Psittacosis is a disease that pigeons, and other birds carry that passes onto people. It's there but you wont 'see' it. Same with the fungal(?) growth that Currawongs get on thier feet, or this mystery illness that is killing some many Rainbow Lorikeets.
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As a bird lover, I'm sure you very much care about birds. And can appreciate the need to protect birds from health and other issues.

DenisWilson
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I agree with Gelmir.
I have just replied (on another thread) re Common Myna problems with a comment against feeding any birds, because Mynas are so aggressive and so versatile in what they eat.
Re diseases, Parrots with "beak and feather disease" are said to be infectious to other birds. A half-naked Cockatoo, with a distorted beak, which can longer feed itself is not a happy bird.
Try to provide habitat, and fresh water. If you insist on feeding birds, keep it as natural as possible.
That's my twopence worth (I am a pre-decimal birdwatcher).
Denis

David
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Interesting comments, thankyou. I am new to the Wide Bay Burnett area after about forty years in tropical far north Queensland. I am not a bird fancier (although roast chicken or turkey is well up there) but was intrigued to see many same birds here as there but with markedly different habits. For example, it is, in my experience, quite unusual to see rainbow lorikeets on the ground for any reason. However, here they tend to graze in large flocks. Lorikeets, to my understanding, have brush tongues enabling them to acquire nectar from many flowering trees. Well, one gum tree in the small private park behind my place was in flower and was not visited by any parrot let alone a lorikeet. In fact, I saw very few honeyeaters taking advantage of the spring flowering. Here, it seems, lorikeets prefer seed, especially seed not intended for them.

The little park was visited at first light by apostlebirds then double-barred finches and pale-headed rosellas. I had no idea what they could possibly be finding to warrant such large groups making several foraging trips each day. Of all the finches, I think I like double-barred the best. However, I expected that I should be seeing lots of zebra finches down here, and wasn’t. That prompted me to stick a flowerpot saucer on a fence post and throw in a half-cup of premium finch seed to see what happened. The finches found it within a day. They were quickly ousted by apostlebirds. When they left the finches returned in clouds. It was almost startling to see so many, and all of them trying to crowd into the one saucer.

The next day, presumably attracted by the clouds of finches, the lorikeets commandeered the tray. One or two would occupy the saucer and fight off any attempt by any other bird, related or unrelated, to share the food. For the rest of the week a single lorikeet would arrive three seconds after first light and defend the tray for most of the day to be sent packing in the late afternoon by an attack force of several lorikeets. By this time almost the only thing left in the saucer would be husks, chaff and the tiniest of seeds. The finches, for which the food was meant, missed out. I needed a solution.

The attempts to get at the tray and defend the tray caused a lot of seed to be dispersed on to the ground by the flurry of feathers and jumping lorikeets. The finches took advantage of this and up to fifty finches were to be found hopping around under the feeder (in between explosions caused by an alarm call given by any passing bird). I decided I could probably afford to shout the finches another half-cup of seed, and this I scattered across the park in wide arm-flinging movements after the daily half-cup of premium finch seed in the tray was accomplished. Well, that didn’t work. The first to find the scattered seed were the lorikeets and their numbers increased. The finches were able to get some, so I was on the right track.

During a lull at the tray, after all the lorikeets had taken flight from some imagined danger, the finches were quick to jump in, literally. Then they exploded past my window. When I looked to see why, I found a male red winged parrot examining the tray. I held my breath as this superb parrot specimen sampled the finch seed. They are, supposedly, grazers but no one had bothered to so advise this parrot. I went over my bank statements and decided to buy some premium parrot seed with the intention of putting out half a cup of finch seed and half a cup of parrot seed, and maybe the lorikeets would leave the finches some and maybe I might see more of the red winged parrot. The lorikeets ate all the seed indiscriminately, leaving only the sorghum and a few corn kernels. Ravens spotted the corn kernels and it was a ludicrous sight to see a huge raven standing in the tray trying to reach beneath its feet to scoff a piece of dried corn. To my astonishment, the red winged parrot challenged the raven, and won. The victory was sho

Holly
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Hi David,

Please do not think I was attacking you in any way. It wasn't my intention and I am sorry if it came across that way. I know how much enjoyment many people get from feeding birds and it sounds like you are certainly getting that.

It is very much a balancing act - really a great garden will provide all the birds need naturally and this is what we advocate first and foremost, but if you are going to feed birds, then we recommend doing it infrequently, using good quality food is the way to go. Also, we suggest people pay attention to what is going on in their garden - if large numbers of birds are gathering then you can increase the risk of disease transmission - so we would suggest to take a break from feeding for a while. Also make sure uneaten food is removed and the feeding station is very very clean.

re bread specifically: In Tim Low's book - the New Nature - he suggests that bread has been associated with digestive and intestinal problems in birds. Similarly, honey and water doesn't provide all the complex sugars found in nectar for honeyeaters and parrots and low quality meat (with high fat content) has been shown to alter the blood chemistry of magpies and cause calcium deficiencies.

On the birds in backyards website our guidelines for enhancing urban bird habitats has a section on supplementary feeding if you would like some extra reading :)

Dave I hope you continue to enjoy the wide array of birds visiting your garden and you can share some more of your wonderful insights with us.

Holly

David
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Exchange of information is never adversarial, Holly, and I took no umbrage and I am sorry if my response created an impression it had.

The feeding of birds in the tiny park is self-limiting as I expect the increase in natural foods occurring as spring becomes summer will drag most of them away. Surely, this large group of parrots, whose preferred breeding site is a tree hollow cannot sustain a breeding cycle in this immediate area with no old-growth timber around. This area is mostly pasture and spindly gum.

The feeding began as a selfish exercise to see what birds are around me in this new environment. I am too lazy to chase after them and know that with a bit of free food on offer, they would turn up within easy binocular range from my comfortable chair at the desk in front of the window. Birds are not nice. Neither the smallest nor the biggest are socially cultivated. They are aggressive, feisty, greedy and opportunistic. I am sorry if this grates, but Disney did not create the birds in this park. I watched with amusement as lorikeets apparently miscalculated their landing flare, almost colliding with another bird, either inter or intra species. My first impression was, oops! It then became obvious that it was intentional. For example, a crested pigeon landed on the fence wire and struggled to obtain balance. It did so, finally, only to be knocked off its perch by an apostlebird that launched itself from the rainwater tank on an obvious collision course. There was open space either side of the pigeon, so it had to be deliberate. A dainty diamond dove was finding seed in the grass. A common bronzewing, also finding seed began to move closer to the diamond dove and actually appeared to be trailing it. It continued to bob its head as if feeding, but circled the dove until it was directly behind it. It suddenly jumped on the dainty diamond dove removing a quantity of feathers in the process.

Spring has created its own aggression with the sexual cycle in full swing. I watched an over amorous lorikeet pester a female (I hope it was) that was not interested, or at least more interested in finding food. The male continued its courtship ritual and when that didn’t work, attempted forced sexual union. Two other males came to the aid of the lady lorikeet and pinned the overeager male to the ground on its back and proceeded to beat the crap out of him. I applauded, by the way. The bloodied-nose male hopped away and turned his sexual advances towards another bird. Those little cotton-balls that represent the double-barred finches don’t mind sharing the feeder tray. Except that I have seen on many occasions a finch that could not find room in the tray, give alarm gestures, and as the flock exploded out of the tray it flew directly to it. One could almost detect a smirk on its face. I assume it was not the same finch. Wouldn’t it be convenient if they all wore nametags?

I expect to see aggressive behaviour by birds protecting breeding sites or warding off predators. Ravens, butcherbirds and kookaburras abound here and it is usual to see some smaller bird driving them off, or to see one of the three chasing another. However, I was curious on seeing a shape in a tree that I wasn’t used to seeing and reached for the binoculars. To my amazement, the shape turned out to be an Australian wood duck perched, flatfooted, on a branch of the large tree. It was, I thought, a little out of context and as I continued to study it through the glasses, it was attacked and driven off by butcherbirds. Can someone explain to me the perceived threat?

The only bird around here with a sense of humour is a raven. It delights in sitting in a tree next to the park waiting until the park fills with birds, each warding off the other in the race to find the scattered seed. When a crowd of birds fill the park, the raven gives an alarm call and calmly watches as the park explodes. It never fools one old galah that uses t

DenisWilson
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Hi David
Interesting observations of bird behaviour.
Don't forget that birds, as we know them, are most likely small, feathered dinosaur-descendants. So, they understand beating up on each other. We humans use the phrase "pecking-order" as something we have observed from the "chook run".
The Galahs with the deformed beaks may have "Beak and Feather" disease (Google it), which is a very distressing condition, and is fatal to the birds eventually, as they become unable to feed themselves. It is something I mentioned in an earlier response, as one of the possible problems (which can be spread via feed tables). The caged bird people know lots about it. Of course, birds with such conditions are attracted to easy feeding, so you may well see more infected birds than are normally seen. So, the fact that you see them does not mean your feeding practices cause it - but it can spread.
I understand perfectly well your point about liking to feed the birds, so as to be able to observe them easily. I enjoy visiting a friend's garden, where he feeds birds. However, on balance, I still prefer to not intervene, beyond creating "habitat".
Cheers
Denis

lynfranda
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My partner and I live on a half acre in the suburbs of Albany, Western Australia.  We are very fortunate to be able to enjoy the antics and social behaviour of a variety of birds.  Australian Ravens, Magpies, Willy Wagtails, Mudlarks, Crested Pigeons, Bronze Wing Pigeons, the occasional Blue Wren, Black Faced Cuckoo Shrikes, Straw Necked Ibis and Sacred Ibis with Blue Heron and some owls thrown in for good measure.

Of greatest interest to us are the Magpies.  We have been feeding them for nearly 20 years and have watched the first flock of twenty three get ousted from their territory by a smaller flock of five birds.

These five have now grown in number to ten and the main male has either "invited" or is tolerating a younger male into his flock.  The "alpha" male would be about fifteen years of age and his partner a couple of years younger.  They only ever have one chick which matures into a female.  However, this season, they have not bred and one of the younger females has produced a singular chick.

The pecking order is very evident.  The male bird puts the young one in its place by rolling it onto its back and pecking its belly.  No blood is drawn, but it is very difficult (as a human) to leave the birds alone.

The male bird is a great mimic - he imitates the following:

a horse's neigh; wattle bird and mudlark calls; the ambulance/fire siren; a dog's bark; other chatter - a clever bird indeed.

We thoroughly enjoy "our" birds.

post2coop
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Hello David, I noticed yor very dettailed and interesting obsevations, the burying of food etc, as a new member and living in the Wide Bay, Howard area, I have been searching for a "locality guide (map?) of the area that would give me some information on birds that inhabit the area I live in. Maybe you might have a few tips ? regards, Gavin.

Woko
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Gavin, those posts & their posters are from 2013 so you might be lucky to get a response but you never know.

In the absence of a response from David, could I suggest you contact your local council, environment group or Landcare group for the information you're seeking. You might also like to try http://burrumriver.qld.au/goodies/fauna/bird-listing.

pacman
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I visit the Tourist Information centre and ask if they have a brochure on bird tracks, bird routes or similar

BirdLife Australia has a branch in your area http://www.birdlife.org.au/locations/birdlife-bundaberg

Peter

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