I am sure the second can't be Little Shrike-thrush because the bill is a grey colour. The Little Shrike-thrush is also a rufousy-brown colour. I thought Grey Shrike-thrush for the second one as it's mostly grey and has the brown brack.
They are definitely not Whistlers due to the length/shape of the bill.
Interesting, to me the two birds seem to have different beak morphologies. Bird one looks like it has a shorter and wider beak than bird two, and looks more akin to a Whistler's beak than a Shrike Thrush's. OTOH, the beak is extremely pale, even for a juvenile Golden Whistler.
I should have said that I am positive about the Little Shrike-thrush ID; I don't have pics with me today but will post later; indicators are the rufous body, grey-olive brown back, pink beak and light throat some with faint streaks; the angle is making the beak appear a bit shorted and broader
Looks to me like a Little Shrike-thrush.
Thanks that was what I was thinking. Thanks for your help.
I'm not convinced? Have you concidered A Female Rufous Whistler?
M-L
I thought that this one was a bit too brown for Whistler and bill too pale??? I am really not sure.
Here is a photo of another bird taken about a week later. I thought they were the same bird but now not sure. Is this a female Rufous Whistler?
Araminta, female Rufous Whistlers have streaked underparts and the bill is short and stubby and coloured black, apart from anything else.
The last one looks like a Grey Shrike-thrush...
One thing I'm absolutely sure, No1 is not a Grey Shrike Thrush. I have lots of them in my garden.
M-L
What about an immature Golden Whistler for the first? Not sure bird 1 and 2 are the same though.
For me, the first one has the colouring and pale bill of the rufous form of the Little Shrike-thrush (aka Rufous Shrike-thrush).
I think both Little Shrike Thrush.
I am sure the second can't be Little Shrike-thrush because the bill is a grey colour. The Little Shrike-thrush is also a rufousy-brown colour. I thought Grey Shrike-thrush for the second one as it's mostly grey and has the brown brack.
They are definitely not Whistlers due to the length/shape of the bill.
Thanks so much everyone for all your help. It is so appreciated :-)
I 2nd #1 as Little Shrike-thrush and #2 as Grey Shrike-thrush
Peter
Interesting, to me the two birds seem to have different beak morphologies. Bird one looks like it has a shorter and wider beak than bird two, and looks more akin to a Whistler's beak than a Shrike Thrush's. OTOH, the beak is extremely pale, even for a juvenile Golden Whistler.
+1 for Bird 2 being a Grey Shrike Thrush though.
I should have said that I am positive about the Little Shrike-thrush ID; I don't have pics with me today but will post later; indicators are the rufous body, grey-olive brown back, pink beak and light throat some with faint streaks; the angle is making the beak appear a bit shorted and broader
Peter
Agreed Peter.
Lachlan, Whistler's still have a shorter/stubbier bill than depicted in both photo's.
I agree with Peter and Owl of Kedumba.
2 Little Shrike-thrush pics attached - 1st if rufous form at Woodgate, Qld and 2nd is black-billed form at Darwin, NT
I forgot to get a better pic of rufous form to compare to subject bird above
Peter
Thanks so much for the photos and all the comments. This has helped so much. One less unknown in my catalogue :-)