welcome swallow? (sorry no photo) or similar

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birdomo
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welcome swallow? (sorry no photo) or similar

Saw these two small birds on a pier at mt henry bridge, Perth

I was standing less than 3m away and thought I would be able to identify from memory,

but despite all evening searching cannot find a match.

Closest I can find is welcome sparrow. A very good match on the black colouring; black back of head, back nape, top wings. but throat forehead and chest where all same colour grey (not sure how to describe maybe slighty green/brown dirty grey) anyway definitely NOT rusty red. Also short triangular beak was orange not black.

I did not see belly colour or if they had forked tail .

I thought could have be escapees except they were in a  pair and another observer said they are regulars at that spot.

Maybe just a variation of plumage and beak and a welcome swallow still?

Any thoughts?

thanks,

Woko
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Check Fairy Martin, birdomo. They build nests under bridges & culverts.

HelloBirdy
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Or could be a juvenile/immature welcome swallow

Ryu
Canberra
Aiming for DSLR-quality shots with a bridge camera

birdomo
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Thanks for the hints!
I checked all photos on welcome swallow, tree martin, fairy martin but none seem to fit, maybe an escaped finch but beak not big enough for that I think.
I also looked at all swallows, swifts, martins, finches that I can find pictures of online but cannot find a match.
I will take a camera next time but might be some times months before get lucky.

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